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Re: No Start

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:27 pm
by 82vdub
Loosen the bolts on the IP and raise the high pressure end up, towards the hood. This will cause the belt to ride towards the inside of the pully. Make sure you have all the bolts on the IP as well, especially the one underneath the high pressure end. It's hard to raise the IP, but it's do-able for 1/16" change.

Re: No Start

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:25 pm
by Caerbannog
You might check to see you have the proper conical nut on that bolt by the high pressure end. Usually that taper will help center it in the bracket hole.

Actually, I see that I used that line before:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10830&p=74506&hilit ... nut#p74506

Re: No Start

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:55 pm
by damac
Its already been described how to do the adjustment. I have been through allot of engines/injection pumps in my short vw career and had to deal with terrible worn out bushings once, ditched that pump for parts. You could really tell by rocking the sprocket.

Most of the other used injection pumps I have come across that ran I take apart and clean and reseal and run them, I have extras on the shelf.

I have found from my working stash when swapping pumps and doing a timing belt job from engine to engine without changing anything else, for the timing belt tracking to change.

Once you know your engine and look under the hood of a used car you can tell if things are being neglected :)

But you can get your belt to track, I have had to readjust before and it can be annoying to yank the pump multiple times. If you move engine front bracket to much you can go to far, so I like to do a bump at a time with the bolts cracked.

Thats the way I do it, let the timing belt decide. I also use those im shafts with no lip. So inbetween each change, hook pump up without timing it and crank the starter over a good bit to see where things settle down.

Also I move my setup to tdc so i can put pump lockpin in and then clamp each pulley to the timing belt and the injection pump sprocket to the bracket.

Don't move anything and you can just start the keyway on the injection pump on reinstall and tightning the bolt to spec will pull and guide the sprocket to where it needs to be with no clamps on at that point. I have done this many times and checked timing after and it seems to work ok vs. doing a full timing job again?

Experts need to chime in on that procedure and what they think about it. Somebody in passing mentioned this to me years ago and I tried it with the vw timing tools to see if it would keep everything in relation and I haven't had a problem lining up tdc and the locks?

Re: No Start

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:52 pm
by TylerDurden
I'm no expert, but I do pretty much the same thing: set at TDC, clamp or clip the belt to the pulleys... I clip the accessible three: Cam, IP and IM shaft. I also mark the belt to pulleys with a china marker in case a clip pops off. I always try to maintain belt tension on the crank pulley.

My understanding was that tracking could be adjusted with the L-shaped bracket by the alternator, but someone may have also mentioned the bolts for the bracket on the block.

Re: No Start

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:38 am
by Fatmobile
damac wrote: I also use those im shafts with no lip.
Of course you meant IM shaft PULLYS with no lip.
Great info. I use blue masking tape instead of clamps, to hold the belt to the sprockets while the pump is off.

The 2 bolts holding the rear bracket to the block are the bolts I use to line the belt up.
The right one is easy to reach with the pump on. OK it's easy to reach with a swivel-head 1/2" (13mm) socket.
I adjust the pump and bolt it down with that bolt.
If the belt lines up when the engine is rotated,.. usually with a wrench on the crank, then I remove the pump, blue locktite and tighten the other bolt. Then remove the first bolt and blue locktite that one before tightening.
I ALWAYS use blue locktite on the injection pump bracket mounting bolts (not the pump mounting bolts).
Common for those bolts to dissappear.
Clean the holes good, get the oil out, then a lovely blue locktite.