Winding starter- video page 3

[farrier]

Well the first one I got from Napa, which lasted about 4 months. Or at least that's when all my trouble began.
Most recent one is a Duralast. This has never worked, and still didn't solve anything. But both do work when out of truck, on the ground, attached to jumper cables.
Man that would be great if I could just buy a Bosch starter and this would be resolved.
Still planning to post video. Hopefully tomorrow.

[Fatmobile]

NAPA sells Bosch rebuilds,... probably sells a cheaper option too.

[greg lousy]

I had a similar sounding problem which turned out to be that my glow plug relay failed in the "on" position. - starter motor not engaging or engaging a little then failing - adequate looking voltage at starter terminal. These problems also occurred when i was jumpered to my wife's car. The constant drain and my constant recharging killed my battery, then killed a brand new battery, making the diagnostic process very confusing before I figured it out.

May be a longshot, but it'd be worth feeling to see if the main GP wire stays warm whenever the battery is charged. If that is the case, you'd probably be in for new glow plugs too.

Have you tested for battery drainage when sitting? (voltmeter touching two points on the same main battery wire) I forget the specs, but it should be a very low reading.

[farrier]

Sorry for the delay it took awhile. Long video. Just wanted to cover everything. Thanks.
http://youtu.be/VM4VmYRxlN4

[brifrompa]

Is it possible the starter is for a gasser?

[farrier]

No, it is for a diesel. Checked part #. Thanks.

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cant view the video, youtube says it is "private"

[farrier]

Ok I think I fixed the video.
The Napa starter I had was indeed a cheaper version.
I ordered a Bosch today. I hope that is the fix. We'll see.
I would've never thought a off the shelf rebuilt could be so bad it wouldn't work.

[Fatmobile]

New thermostats are iffy too.

[Quantum-man]

At long last been able to see [listen to] your video. That starter simply is not throwing out against your flywheel with enough force IMO. When out it should really thump forwards like a snapping turtle

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Again, did u check for play in starter shaft and spinning starter gear?


In the video it is obvious that the starter gear is just barely engaging the flywheel ring gear.

When you first turn the key, it turns the engine a bit, and then the gear is pushed out of engagement. This can only be one of the following:

a worn out starter bushing,
worn starter shaft bearings,
worn teeth on the starter/flywheel,
starter gear spinning on shaft,
wrong/defective starter motor.

[82vdub]

BTW, nice cat

I noticed that there is not a ground from the battery to the chassis. On Ole 82, there's a double cable setup for the negative cable from the battery - the big fat one goes to the trans mount, and the other grounds to the top stud on the strut assembly. This does not sound like it has anything to do with your current issue.

From what I observed on the video, the starter is spinning just fine, but the gear isn't meshing with the flywheel. You said the flywheel teeth were worn a bit. I would say that it's the flywheel ring gear that's worn or something out of alignment. If the new Bosch starter does the same thing, then change the flywheel. This is now the second starter that's acted the same. If the third one does the same thing, then it's not likely the starter.

When you pull the starter that's installed, what does the end (end of shaft) side of the gear look like? It sounds like the gear is pushing up against the side of the flywheel (gears not meshed) and it's just spinning the flywheel from the rotation of the gear against it.

[farrier]

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Sorry I forgot to check for end play. It does have a little play. I would guess 1/32'' -1/16''.
The gear turns easily in the direction it's suppose to. It turns harder the opposite way.

Where is the state of Jefferson? Virginia?

82vdub,
The way the ground straps were when I got it, the cable off the -post went to the tranny mount.
Then other cable from tranny mount to body frame. These were the thick braded cables.
They were in bad shape, so they were replaced with 4 gauge coated.
I really hope it's not the flywheel.

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The gear turns easily in the direction it's suppose to. It turns harder the opposite way.

Just to make sure we are speaking the same language, I'm referring to the starter gear spinning on the shaft that it is mounted on.

If that is what you are describing above, that is the cause of your problem.

You should not be able to turn the gear at all, it should be locked to the shaft. If it is not, how could it turn the engine?

I had a defective (new) starter once that did this. I removed the starter, hooked up jumper cables to it, and I could hold the gear stationary with my fingers while the starter motor was spinning.

BTW, the "state of jefferson" was a movement to create a new state in northern California & southern Oregon. Google it.

[farrier]

Well I just installed the rebuilt Bosch starter, and it does the same thing.
I guess I'll drop the tranny out and check out the flywheel.
I'll let you know what I find.