Moving 1.6D engine from Golf to Vanagon

ctange · Post by **ctange** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:19 pm

I am trying to move an 1.6D engine from a Golf to a Vanagon.

Some of you must have done that.

Apart from engine support, there is the oil pan/sump and the flyweel.
The sump, does it NEED to be changed ?
How about the oil pump sucking tube ?
And the oil dip stick ?
Can the flyweel just be interchanged ?

Thank you for any replies.

hoyt · Post by **hoyt** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:48 pm

Here is what I know is different on a Vanagon 1.6D:

oil pan
oil pick up tube and maybe oil pump
oil fill tube and dip stick
valve cover
air filter box

And I think the intake and exgaust manafold are different too.

ctange · Post by **ctange** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:53 am

hoyt wrote:Here is what I know is different on a Vanagon 1.6D:

oil pan
oil pick up tube and maybe oil pump
oil fill tube and dip stick
valve cover
air filter box

And I think the intake and exgaust manafold are different too.

The exaust manifold is different, and I will change it.

Pictures in "So wird's gemacht" made me think that the intake manifold
and the attched air filter box was the same ?

How do I get the get the oil dip stickl tube loos from the block ?

vwtopia · Post by **vwtopia** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:15 am

Christian,

I just finished putting an 85 Golf engine in my 82 Vanagon. The flywheel is interchangeable. I also put the vanagon injection pump on the Golf engine because the throttle cable connection was different between the two pumps. I also changed the water pump but you can just change one of the inlets or outlets, I don't remember which one. If you look at it the Vanagon water pump one of the hose connections is angled different and if you don't change it I don't think you can connect a hose because the engine mount or something is in the way. I left the dipstick tube on the engine but had to cut it down so I could put the cover on. If you remove it what do you plan on plugging the hole with? That is why I left it in. On mine you just unbolt the bracket and pull it up. This is what I used from the Vanagon engine: oil pump, oil pan including the oil filler tube and dip stick, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, injection pump (as mentioneed above) flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, water pump and valve cover.

Kevin

vwtopia · Post by **vwtopia** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:18 am

I also forgot to mention that I used the engine mounts for the Vanagon engine. They use some differnt holes in the block so I ran a tap through them to clean the threads.
Kevin

ctange · Post by **ctange** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:21 pm

Hi Kevin,

Thank you for the reply.

It is the first time that I try to change an engine.
I would like to keep the "new" engine as original as possible,
because I do not know much about adjustments.

vwtopia wrote: I just finished putting an 85 Golf engine in my 82 Vanagon. The flywheel is interchangeable.

Good to know that you have done it succesfully!
I also thaugth that I could just move over the flyweel, but a post here
in this forum made me in doubt.
But you confirm my initial assumtion, so one thing less to worry about.

vwtopia wrote: I also put the vanagon injection pump on the Golf engine because the throttle cable connection was different between the two pumps.

I will not change the injection pump, but I see that there will be
a problem with throttle cable connection. I will try to solve this
some how.

vwtopia wrote: I also changed the water pump but you can just change one of the inlets or outlets, I don't remember which one. If you look at it the Vanagon water pump one of the hose connections is angled different and if you don't change it I don't think you can connect a hose because the engine mount or something is in the way.

I have just checked this, and I probably have to change the lowest
inlet/outlet, the one that houses the tempreature dependant valve.

vwtopia wrote: I left the dipstick tube on the engine but had to cut it down so I could put the cover on. If you remove it what do you plan on plugging the hole with? That is why I left it in. On mine you just unbolt the bracket and pull it up.

If possible, I will keep the golf dipstick

vwtopia wrote: This is what I used from the Vanagon engine: oil pump, oil pan including the oil filler tube and dip stick, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, injection pump (as mentioneed above) flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, water pump and valve cover.

Of the above items, I plan to keep the: dip stick, intake manifold +air filter house, injection pump, water pump and valve cover.

I think there is space for the golf intake manifold + airfilter box.
I would also prefere to keep the valve cover, I think is is fine
to add engine-oil down the valve cover.

Why did you change the intake manifold +air filter house ?

vwtopia · Post by **vwtopia** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:45 pm

Christian,

I thought about keeping the Golf valve cover on but changed it out anyway. I guess I was trying to get the look of the original Vanagon engine. I think if you have a tight seal you won't have any problems. It will be slanted some in the Vanagon compared to being in the Golf. I would like to remove the dipstick tube also but haven't figured out a good way to plug the hole it would leave to again get the look of the original Vanagon engine.

After I removed the intake manifold I realized that they were pretty much identical so would not of had to do it.

Kevin

vwtopia · Post by **vwtopia** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:24 pm

Christian, I don't think you'll have to do this because your engine I believe has it on it but my 85 Golf did not have an oil cooler so that is one other item I used. Kevin

ctange · Post by **ctange** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:51 pm

Hi Kevin

Thank you for answering.

You are right, I will have to move over the oil cooler too,
my Golf is also from 1985, and with no oil cooler.

The Golf engien do probably not need it, but to be
without it, at change to the cooling hoses will probably
be needed, and I do not want to do that.

I plan to take the vanagon engien + transmission out
in one, and then take it apart when they are out.
My gearbox is badly corroded unfortunately.

How did you support the engiens when they were out of the
cars ?

vwtopia · Post by **vwtopia** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:26 am

Christian,

You asked how did I supported the engine when they were out of the car ? I'm not sure what you mean? I just had my engines on a roller type cart. It is actually one of the car rollers, (you know you put one under each tire and then you can push your car around) with a piece of plywood fitted on the topof it. I only removed the engine so I built a sawhorse. Pictures of it are at http://www.vwtopia.com/vanagon

Hope that helps,
Kevin

ctange · Post by **ctange** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:39 pm

Hi Kevin

Thank you so much for the picture link!
This answers my question.

Rightnow I am in the proces of getting the
golf engine free. The car is in a small garage
under my house. I remove everything and
after that, only the engine will be left.
Then I can start swaping parts.

I plan to put the oil pan on before I
install the engine, I understand taht
you did it the other way aroung.

Thanks again

vwtopia · Post by **vwtopia** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:55 pm

Christian, Yes I put the the oil pump and pan on after I got the golf engine in. Next time I will put it on before. It is kind of hard, but not impossible to insert and tighten the oil pan bolts next to the tranny. There is no problem with the Golf oil pan but because of the size and shape of the vanagon oil pan I found it difficult. I felt with the golf oil pan on I wouldn't have to jack the rear end of the Vanagon up as high. Kevin