Back up lights

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Back up lights

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My reverse or back up lights do not fuction. I read in Bently that there is a back up or reverse switch somewhere near the transmission. No luck locating it. Can anyone help me out?
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Right near the driver's side transaxle mount, will be the only thing with wires connected to the transaxle. Right bext to where the speedometer cable connects. On early models, it'll be a round hole with a plunger type switch, later models will have a rectangular hole with 2 screws (triple square bit) holding the switch in place (circled in red):

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That switch always burns out.
Add a relay to the switch
or mount an external switch that is bumped by the lever.
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diesel freak : and ALL . Roger do you own that fancy looking tranney in the picture ? Is it Glass-beaded or painted or both ?

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Most repair shops will clean the aluminum housings for the equipment they are servicing. Some will just wash, some will bead blast and some will paint when completed.

The picture posted to me looks like it's been painted. All the assembly hardware that makes up the transmission itself is all the same color (bolts, nuts, flanges etc). Rarely will you find bolts and hardware that matches a raw aluminum housings color leading me to default to it being painted.
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That is the transaxle in my '82 now. It was cleaned and acid etched then painted with Rustoleum Hammered Silver paint.
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For brighter halogen back-up lights, what kind of relay should I install, and where? And, is it necessary to install a new back-up switch at the same time?
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I would intercept the circuit right at the transmission. You keep the factory wiring for the switch etc, except that you intercept the circuit and have it switch a relay. You do not need to replace the backup switch, unless it's not working. The size of the relay will depend on the amp load it needs to power. Then, you'll have to run a fused line (wire size dependant on amp load) from the battery through the switched terminals on the relay to the rear for your backup lights.
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Post by the vegenator »

I'm still shaky on electric wiring, so I want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. I just found this wiring diagram for wiring up higher power headlights:

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Seems like this translates to backup lights, ya? Correct me if I'm wrong... I run the BK/BL wire coming out of the backup switch into a terminal on the relay, and a fused beefier wire directly from the battery into another terminal on the relay. Then a new line out all the way to the lights?

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Post by VWCaddy »

Yes, if doing the high watt bulbs, add a relay or the switch will not last very long. And I found the halogen bulbs were not all the much brighter:
- http://www.4crawler.com/Diesel/CheapTri ... ckupLights

I like the focused LED bulbs myself, the main problem with the stock backup lights is the lack of a decent reflector. The LEDs nowadays can be had with built in reflectors/lenses and put the light out where it should be, and they pull a lot less current, like 3-4 watts/bulb vs. 20-50 watts/bulb.
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Post by Fatmobile »

Then a new line out all the way to the lights?
I don't think you need new wires all the way to the lights. The wires should be able to handle the current.

Sounds like LED lights might be enough to keep the switch from burning out. One more thing on my list.
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Fatmobile wrote: I don't think you need new wires all the way to the lights. The wires should be able to handle the current.
I'll chime in and say that it all depends on the existing wire size and the amperage of the new lights. Don't overload your wiring. It would suck to use the old wire to only have your VW burn up because $10 on wire was skipped.

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You meant SNOW shoes right? :)
Show shoes are for summer :)

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I don't have any reverse lights either, but don't intend to go backwards.
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Fatmobile wrote:You meant SNOW shoes right? :)
Show shoes are for summer :)
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Re: Back up lights

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diesel freak wrote:My reverse or back up lights do not fuction. I read in Bently that there is a back up or reverse switch somewhere near the transmission. No luck locating it. Can anyone help me out?
Check the fuses inside the driver's side kick panel Turn the black screw, and then pull the panel directly off. Turn it around, and there is a diagram that will show which fuse is connected to what. Pull the fuse and make sure that it is not blown. I would bet it is the back up light switch if you drive a standard transmission. The switch can be purchased for about $25.00 at an auto parts store. It plugs into your engine roughly below the battery. The battery may have to be removed to gain access to the plug, but its an easy fix. This only applies if you have a standard.I removed the switch from the transaxel-with the front left wheel removed. Sometimes if you have some- electrical parts cleaner sprayed it the trans side of the switch can restore function to it. Had to do this because auto parts stores nearby did not stock this switch. works fine for now.
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